he goes out against john kerry, has a horrible debate. kerry closes an eight point lead. >> martha: we have seen times when they've had a huge impact and i think because this race has been so neck in neck all along, everybody is looking for tonight to be some kind of opportunity to get this undecided voters. we found out there are more of them than previously thought. people who are still on the fence. so it could be a game changer. >> brian: i'll give you an example. remember when gerald ford was asked about poland and says he doesn't believe there is any soviet domination of eastern europe, at which time max frankle, i think who was the moderator, came out and said, excuse me? and he lost a bunch of points. >> steve: he did, because he didn't know what he was talking about. how exactly do you prepare for something like tonight where 60 million people will be in attendance around the world watching on a tv? i've been trying to figure this out. >> martha: remember this moment? remember the al gore sighs back in 2000? he kept sighing and s